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Does the Holocaust belong in our curriculum?
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| Posted 4 months ago I fixed my post so you can read it all. It seems choppy but it is readable now. Every cloud has a silver lining. |
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| Posted 4 months ago I'd like to give my opinion, I read all the post, but some of them were impossible to read completly. There are many atrocities that were commited by the "civilized world". When Hernan Cortez, the conqueror, conquered Mexico, he and army killed and raped people, distroyded their temples and their religion. Many people suffered the consequences of the ambitious people that called themselves "civilized people" Now, the new civilized people deplore all those atrocities. Trying to difine which is bigger or which people endure more is senseless and worthless. |
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| Posted 4 months ago I agree. Comparing "pain" seems senseless...and impossible to do.... I started this topic basically to say what a horrific impression was left on my mind when I first understood the cruelty of humanity. So, when a student of mine was questioning what happened during the Holocaust, and his father came to me asking me to explain it to his child ~ I was flabbergasted (do you have this word in Spanish?). I thought about it and realized that I was not prepared to shattered this child's world (the way mine had been), so I told the father that he would have to tell his son. As a teacher, I think this was "weak" of me. You do need to remember though, that I was not the regular classroom teacher, so I was not responsible for teaching this topic. And I do believe that this matter is shocking, intense and can cause nightmares ~ especially in clean, young minds. I had a recurring dream of some of the atrocities....and I didn't want to be responsible for causing this kind of mental-pain ....the images hurt to bring to mind even now. However, now-a-days some of the movies the children watch are equally as horrific, and they LOVE them... It seems to me that flooding the minds of children with blood, guts, decapitation, torture, etc...is de-sensitizing them to the reality....and, as a culture, this could come back to bite us on the tookus...(hiney)....ahem. We seem to be raising generations of children who can look at rape, murder and moral degeneration as if it were "entertaining"... the gladiators and the colliseum(sp?) all over again. In my mind and heart, a world such as this would not be good....if we are the creators of our world, wouldn't we want something better for ourselves and our children? But, the flip-side of that issue is that we cannot afford to forget where we've come from ~ we cannot risk repeating our mistakes. They called World War II "the war to end all wars".... and yet..... |
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| Posted 4 months ago debo says ...
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| Posted 4 months ago debo says ...
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| Posted 4 months ago Hi Don, Yes, it sounds reasonable... when will it ever be done? These movies keep coming...and their revenues are in the multi-millions of dollars.... ya know? Who is calling the "HALT!" ? and who will listen??? |
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| Posted 4 months ago I know this might sound atrocious, but I think evil sells like it does because many can look and say "I am not that bad". It seems ridiculous that people don't want ot hear about it, but people can watch it and think it is cool. I do not support it. I refuse to waste my money, time, and brain cells on such junk. I also do not allow it in my house. This is where I take a stand. I might have no power of the movie industry, but I am one less person that supports this endeavor. We need to teach our children and make sure they learn that it is not acceptable to be vile and cruel to one another. "We must be the change we want" I might only change my reaction to someone, but I have changed the outcome of something. Every cloud has a silver lining. |
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| Posted 4 months ago 411, Hoooyah! We can only be responsible for our own actions....so we need to consider our actions carefully....cause-and-effect is always in play. It lifts my spirit knowing that some parents care enough to call a halt to unhealthy behaviors! Thanx for this post. ~debo |
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| Posted 4 months ago Dear dhastings, "We do need just enough to ensure there are no repeat performances."
Ay, there's the rub - for how much is "enough", and, given individual differences, what may be more than enough for one may not be close to enough for another? |
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| Posted 4 months ago debo, you are welcome. I like to be that little pebble that is thrown into the pond. I like to see the big trickle my little self can make. I realize that it is optimistic to think I am making a huge impact, but it does impact. Every cloud has a silver lining. |
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| Posted 4 months ago Hi 411, Yes....I cannot remember the exact quote but there's something to the effect that a single beat of a butterfly wing a thousand miles away might cause a tempest where you stand.... You keep flapping those wings....and so will I ! Smiles, ~debo |
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| Posted 4 months ago Derar Debo, Ah, the "Butterfly Effect" - part of Chaos Theory (my favorite):
The butterfly effect is a phrase that encapsulates the more technical notion of sensitive dependence on initial conditions in chaos theory. Small variations of the initial condition of a dynamical system may produce large variations in the long term behavior of the system. This is sometimes presented as esoteric behavior, but can be exhibited by very simple systems: for example, a ball placed at the crest of a hill might roll into any of several valleys depending on slight differences in initial position. It is a common subject in fiction when presenting scenarios involving time travel and with "what if" scenarios where one storyline diverges at the moment of a seemingly minor event resulting in two significantly different outcomes.\
The term "butterfly effect" itself is related to the work of Edward Lorenz, and is based in chaos theory and sensitive dependence on initial conditions, first described in the literature by Jacques Hadamard in 1890[1] and popularized by Pierre Duhem's 1906 book. The idea that one butterfly could eventually have a far-reaching ripple effect on subsequent historic events seems first to have appeared in a 1952 short story by Ray Bradbury about time travel (see Literature and print here) although Lorenz made the term popular. In 1961, Lorenz was using a numerical computer model to rerun a weather prediction, when, as a shortcut on a number in the sequence, he entered the decimal .506 instead of entering the full .506127 the computer would hold. The result was a completely different weather scenario.[2] Lorenz published his findings in a 1963 paper for the New York Academy of Sciences noting that "One meteorologist remarked that if the theory were correct, one flap of a seagull's wings could change the course of weather forever." Later speeches and papers by Lorenz used the more poetic butterfly. According to Lorenz, upon failing to provide a title for a talk he was to present at the 139th meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in 1972, Philip Merilees concocted Does the flap of a butterfly’s wings in Brazil set off a tornado in Texas as a title. Although a butterfly flapping its wings has remained constant in the expression of this concept, the location of the butterfly, the consequences, and the location of the consequences have varied widely.[3] The phrase refers to the idea that a butterfly's wings might create tiny changes in the atmosphere that may ultimately alter the path of a tornado or delay, accelerate or even prevent the occurrence of a tornado in a certain location. The flapping wing represents a small change in the initial condition of the system, which causes a chain of events leading to large-scale alterations of events. Had the butterfly not flapped its wings, the trajectory of the system might have been vastly different. While the butterfly does not cause the tornado, the flap of its wings is an essential part of the initial conditions resulting in a tornado. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect
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| Posted 4 months ago Chaos Theory....lovely. You may not be aware of this...so I shall enlighten you (ahem)... your small wings have made a mighty effect in my small pond. What a relief! I've found some kindred spirits here....and my life is experiencing the tempest! Thanx ~ a million times over. ~debo |
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| Posted 4 months ago Dear debo, Thank you - and likewise. But it also ties in with one of my favorite "teaching quotes" (slightly amended to avoid sexism): Teachers affect eternity; no one can tell where Their influence stops.
Henry Brooks Adams http://thinkexist.com/quotation/a_teacher_affects_eternity-he_can_n...
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| Posted 4 months ago I am affected by what I have learned from some great people (I am throwing flowers at you now Every cloud has a silver lining. |
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| Posted 4 months ago Yaaaay!!! We're all paying it forward...and that feels right....deep-down in the marrow. This calls for a celebration....I'll bring my grin...! ~debo |
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| Posted 4 months ago Dear debo, Would that be a grin and tonic? Regards, John |
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| Posted 4 months ago Oh Dear...John, I think it needs to be a BYOG....since I am no longer teaching and cannot afford the tonic! But, you can entertain with your stand-up comedy routine..... Straight Grin for me, please. ~deeb |
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| Posted 4 months ago Ladies and Gentlemen, My chair is not the only thing rolling presently. I know I should switch them. I have brought my grins. I can't afford the tonic either. I so enjoy the debates and laughs we share. When life hands me a wad of lemons, you two bring me the sweetener for the lemonade. Thanks, Teacher_411
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| Posted 4 months ago kmfelder55 says ...
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). I am enriched and enlightened by what I learn from the discussions and individual ideals we all present. It seems that we are able to look at many angles and see the same object. Something I try to teach my students.